r/technology • u/chrisdh79 • May 10 '23
City Tests Traffic Light That Only Turns Green for Drivers Who Obey the Speed Limit | An experiment is taking place in a quiet suburb of Montreal. Transportation
https://jalopnik.com/city-tests-traffic-light-that-only-turns-green-for-driv-1850419759705
u/PM_ME_HUGE_CRITS May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
It’s designed to stay red until it senses a coming car, only changing green if the car is going the speed limit. FRED forces fast drivers to stop and gives them a chance to really reconsider their life choices.
Sounds dumb and kind of game-y. You just figure out how far the sensor can see and then speed until that point. And if it's ever used on more than a two-way street, how is it supposed to determine your specific car wasn't speeding and give you a green light but a red to the guy behind or next to you who was much faster?
Will people get punished for other drivers speeding and have to wait out their long red lights alongside them?
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u/KnotBeanie May 10 '23
Look at the photo, who would seriously stop at that light
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u/Traditional_Job_6932 May 10 '23
The article does say they have a red light camera to fine anyone that doesn’t stop.
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u/KnotBeanie May 10 '23
Now I’d really hate to have one in my neighborhood.
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u/pangolin-fucker May 10 '23
Don't you guys have mandatory stop signs on like every corner ?
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u/Mobius357 May 10 '23
At intersections. This light is randomly in the middle of a straight road.
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u/phase2_engineer May 10 '23
Feels like a speed bump would be a much better use there. But I suppose a speed bump doesn't generate ticket revenue
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u/TheAb5traktion May 10 '23
Speed bumps or windy roads. A windy road forces drivers to think about driving. It's a good method of controlling traffic speeds.
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u/Bruch_Spinoza May 11 '23
Also narrow roads with trees close to the curb help slow drivers down. It’s all about making drivers as uncomfortable as possible because it makes them more attentive and they don’t feel as secure
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u/StinkyBanjo May 11 '23
Im from europe. Good luck. I loge windy roads.
On the other hand I prefer the radar lights over speed bumps. The pot holes trash my suspension enough already.
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u/Kilane May 10 '23
It reminds me of those “Slow down, Children Playing” signs, but they went full stoplight with it.
I see there is a school bus there, maybe it is like the flashing yellow lights we have near school zones.
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u/slykethephoxenix May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
Why does Canada love stop signs everywhere that no one obeys?
Why not yield signs, or even roundabouts like we have in Australia.
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u/karock May 11 '23
US does this too. Pointless stop signs everywhere. My subdivision has one at a T where one of the 3 directions contributes less than 1% of traffic (two houses and some water utility station) and yet there’s a stop sign on the side everyone is using.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 May 11 '23
Canada (Ontario at least) has been heavily deploying Roundabouts all over the province for over a decade now. The area I live in has dozens of them.
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u/Ttaaggggeerr May 10 '23
Why?
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u/KnotBeanie May 10 '23
Because I don’t want my local government to waste money and time on over-engineered solution when they can’t even keep up on potholes.
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u/Snoo93079 May 10 '23
Americans love the freedom to speed in oversized cars because fuck pedestrians
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u/orangecountry May 10 '23
Literally nothing in this thread was about America until you brought it up.
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u/Joezev98 May 10 '23
If it can automatically fine drivers and can detect speeding cars... Why not punish them with a fine instead of only a red light?
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u/Caboozel May 10 '23
There isn’t even a stop line for traffic
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u/KnotBeanie May 10 '23
Yeah this is just gonna piss off the neighborhood, if you want people to slow down add a speed bump or two
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u/PM_ME_HUGE_CRITS May 10 '23
We had some for about a week in my neighborhood before they disappeared, I'm assuming because people complained about those too.
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u/WhosDatTokemon May 10 '23
often times those go away because of fire departments, if there’s a fire in a neighborhood you don’t want the trucks to have to slow down on their way because of speed bumps
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u/colbymg May 10 '23
speed bumps can work, but they are often implemented poorly so don't. better/easier to just design the road to be slower: plant trees, add islands or sidewalk features, etc. people will naturally drive slower.
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u/3xoticP3nguin May 10 '23
Speed bumps don't help. In my area all the low cars rev like crazy going over them so it's a ton of noise pollution and then half them peel out anyway so what's it really changing
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u/Justkiller91 May 10 '23
They do help slow idiots down, but are only helpful in specific locations where they will impact speed to solve a solution.
Source: moved into new house on a corner lot in 2006, car speeds and smashes into the house. 2nd car speeds and hits a tree. 3rd a motorcycle hits a rock pile across the road, ramps into and hits our parked van. (Not all at the same time, but over about a year).
Parents fought to have speed bumps installed, they where. Not a single accident.
2021 speed bumps removed for road work and never replaced. Car fucking hits the house 4 months later due to excessive speeds.
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u/jorge1209 May 10 '23
They would do better to remove a lane from the road. Double the size of the sidewalk and make the road a bit more bendy. People drive fast because the roads were built to allow them to drive fast.
If they didn't want me to speed, why did they build a runway in my front yard?
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u/KnotBeanie May 10 '23
Totally agree, or have a slight curve to the road markings as well. There’s better ways to slow people down than to ticket them in their own neighborhood at a light that shouldn’t exist.
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u/colbymg May 10 '23
also, how often will it turn red late and a person screeches on their brakes thinking there's a pedestrian crossing or something.
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u/ImPickleRock May 10 '23
We have something that actually works on one of our long straights that starts north of downtown and ends just past. If you go 35 mph, you will be green the entire way. If you speed you will hit lights....but not because of some detection, its just how the pattern is set up.
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u/Kelend May 10 '23
You just figure out how far the sensor can see and then speed until that point.
So... it would work then?
Scenario without sensor - You speed all the time
Scenario with sensor - You go the speed limit approaching intersections
Seems like that would be an improvement in safety.
Sounds dumb and kind of game-y.
I think thats the point. Reminds me of old cities were you could time the lights, like in my home town it was 37 miles per hour. If you hit a green light, and then went exactly 37 miles per hour you would just coast right through all the stop lights. People loved to do it because saved time and was just cool.
Modern stop light controls that adjust to traffic flow have made this obsolete
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u/HaElfParagon May 10 '23
Look at the article, this isn't about red lights at intersections, they're putting red lights at random points on the side of the road.
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u/InvisiblePhilosophy May 10 '23
Turns into the speed bump problem - where people go slow over the speed bumps, then floor it to the next one.
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u/BassmanBiff May 10 '23
I feel like those people probably would've been flooring it anyway. Like, I'd be surprised if they end up going faster between speed bumps than they would've gone unimpeded.
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u/l4mbch0ps May 10 '23
It's right in the article that the street saw a significant drop in average speed.
People always want to justify why THEIR speeding is fine, so this kind of enforcement makes them angry.
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u/yearoftheraccoon May 10 '23
I mean, intersections are where most collisions occur. If people are slowing down at only intersections, isn't that still very good?
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u/apaksl May 10 '23
it's not meant for an intersection. look at the pic in the article.
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u/F0sh May 10 '23
The light in the article is an experiment; they probably weren't allowed to just screw with the lights at a junction.
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u/steavoh May 10 '23
This motivates people to run lights. If a traffic light was stuck on red for 10 minutes and there are no cars why sit there.
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u/homer_3 May 10 '23
Will people get punished for other drivers speeding and have to wait out their long red lights alongside them?
Obviously, yeah.
Sort of related There was a light I used to have to go through late at night that I swear was set to turn red if it sensed any car coming just to force you to slow down regardless of if you were doing the speed limit.
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u/TheSoup05 May 11 '23
This is what happens with the speed cameras near me. It’s a 30mph road even though it’s long and open and really has no reason to be. So everyone local knows to just slow down for that one strip.
And some people might say “well slowing down in one area is better than not slowing down at all!” Except it’s not. You know what’s more dangerous than just consistently going at a faster speed? A bunch of people all stopping abruptly and to different speeds. The camera will only get you if you’re going 12 over, but people drop to 25 because they don’t know that. And lots of people just slow down randomly around there because they just see a sensor and panic. So even if you’re going the speed limit, it doesn’t matter, you’ve gotta be much more prepared for people around you to do something stupid. And of course there’s the people who don’t know to expect the cameras, so all they see is everyone suddenly slowing down without any rhyme or reason. Getting people to slow down for 10 seconds is not worth the chaos that comes with that.
Syncing lights to let you breeze through if you’re going the speed limit makes way more sense…so good thing the lights that come later on that road are perfect aligned so that you’ll hit every single one unless you literally go twice the speed limit.
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May 10 '23
They are n Netherlands for I don't know how long.
Some also incorporate trafic lights for buses on separate lane so it cordinates trafic lights switching with giving priority to buses as well as monitoring speed of cars and giving them green when not speeding.
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u/omepiet May 10 '23
Yep, my favourite one on the Kruithuisweg in Delft is there since ages and works brilliantly. It is almost always green unless someone approaches it speeding, then it turns red (and green again after a few seconds). And cameras make sure driving through red automatically gets you a nice hefty fine.
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u/angelbabyxoxox May 11 '23
Loving that the top 3 threads are talking about how it could never work and is a stupid idea when it already exists.
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u/ferrango May 10 '23
We’ve had them for decades in Italy
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u/Supertrample May 10 '23
I also see them frequently in Spain.
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u/xRyozuo May 10 '23
Where? I’ve never seen a light that changes if you go over the speed limit
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u/luckyj May 10 '23
They are in many national roads as they go through villages. Cant remember any specific one right now.
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u/Supertrample May 10 '23
I live in rural Andalucía and they are used in small villages when a main road goes through the middle of the old town, to encourage drivers to slow down. The light turns red if you approach it greater than 40km/hr, and turns back to flashing yellow when you drop below that speed (or pass it). The inclination for drivers in general is to slow down if not stop if they see a red light, and this takes advantage of that tendency to keep people from zooming through at 80km/hr.
It works very well, in my opinion, especially when it is near a pedestrian crossing zone. I can think of three of them on my daily drive, so it's not rare - but I've also never seen it in an urban center, just the 'little white towns'.
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May 10 '23
The same in Portugal. This is new in Canada?
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u/Khao8 May 10 '23
Yep and seriously, we need it. Drivers here are fucking horrible especially around schools, pedestrian crossings, bike paths, etc.. pretty much every place where there is real danger our drivers are fucking idiots.
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u/CPNZ May 10 '23
Can attest that I have not seen such bad driving as around Toronto...everyone just driving according to a different set of rules (or none). Also, roads were terrible and half were dug up - thought that was a US feature.
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u/slykethephoxenix May 10 '23
Wait. Toronto has road rules?
I thought they were just polite suggestions. Because they are never enforced and rarely followed.
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u/TheAb5traktion May 10 '23
Yep and seriously, we need it. Drivers here are fucking horrible especially around schools, pedestrian crossings, bike paths, etc.. pretty much every place where there is real danger our drivers are fucking idiots.
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u/Whyisthissobroken May 10 '23
Seriously? Do they work well?
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u/ferrango May 10 '23
Depends on the quality of the drivers I guess.
They eventually work, but not before you get some time with people hard breaking right before the traffic light and/or passing while it’s still red.
The ensuing fines are usually enough to educate the drivers and people di learn to slow down. Or to take down the traffic light, whichever’s easier
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u/swistak84 May 10 '23
Not OP but there's one as well in Poland in the city near me. It works amazingly well. People see red light and slow down, just as you approach it it turns green so you move forward. It's just amazing for speed control. I love it.
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u/Dedsnotdead May 10 '23
They can do if they are sensibly positioned. There’s a straight of approx’ 150 meters entering a village we stay “near” in Portugal.
If you pass the speed limit sign for the village at more than 5km/h over that light will turn from green to red and keep you there for a minute.
If you pass the speed sign at or below the posted limit the light ahead of you remains green.
It works well, I can’t speak for any other places they are installed though.
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u/DogrulukPayi May 10 '23
Something similar is very common in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_wave
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u/Jww187 May 10 '23
If you dislike this wait until you see the AI ticketing system they're rolling out in the UK. It uses radar to see what you're doing in your car, and checks your plate for instance/current registration. Big brother is done just sticking the tip in.
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u/PlayingTheWrongGame May 10 '23
If all Big Brother was doing was enforcing traffic laws, 1984 would have been a boring and non-contentious book.
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u/QuoteGiver May 10 '23
Honestly, with how often traffic stops become a dangerous problem in the US, just tracking everyone’s speed by camera and ticketing them directly would be simpler& better & safer option in a lot of cases.
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u/ralpes May 10 '23
In best case directly verify if the car is insured. Should be just an API call to get insurance status for a license plate.
Tech is cool, but old men in legislation do not understand the potential to get new inflow streams for their municipalities.
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u/HaElfParagon May 10 '23
Ehh not really. If everyone started challenging the tickets en masse they'd have a real problem. Because they have to prove you were the one driving.
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u/Budget-Government-52 May 10 '23
In my state, the police have to file a report with the state whenever they do a license plate lookup with their stationary cameras. Even that is getting huge pushback since only a single police department is following be established reporting requirements.
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u/Khao8 May 10 '23
Driving is a privilege and should absolutely be revoked / fined if you misuse it. I work in software and I am extremely anti-surveillance, but when it comes to driving I am in favor of automated fines for being a dangerous dickhead.
On the opposite side, facial recognition in public can go eat a dick and police forces are evil for using it. It's been proven to have a ridiculous amount of false positives targeting minorities and is a massive invasion of privacy.
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u/corruptbytes May 10 '23
no offense but if you're extremely anti something except use cases you like, you're not extremely anti something
I personally have issues with a computer issuing fines, you give the state an inch and they'll take a mile. We can solve road safety with modern civil design, plenty of fascinating ideas out there, doesn't have to be a punishment based system.
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u/Prestigious-Owl-6397 May 11 '23
Carrots don't always work. Sure, we should use them because they work for a lot of people, but some drivers won't learn unless they're penalized.
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u/Doubtfulstepdad May 10 '23
To bring context, this is right in front of an elementary school. There is a big problem in this area of people speeding and not doing their stop. I guess they are trying a new thing.
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u/VoidLaser May 10 '23
We've had this in the Netherlands for ages and it's even better executed than a single traffic light. Generally it works on a busy road in cities and on several traffic lights together. It's only activated during specific conditions and makes the traffic flow so much better
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u/Mindless-Balance-498 May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
You can tell who the Americans are in the replies here 😂 I hate road culture in this country, it’s aggressive as hell. My city is COVERED in speed bumps, humps and lumps lol and we still have a consistent issue with aggressive, inconsiderate, DANGEROUS drivers thinking they’re the only one who deserves to get where they’re going.
Force more drivers - albeit abruptly, but what traffic control device isn’t like that - to slow down and think about their choices.
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u/knightcrawler75 May 10 '23
I got yelled at whilst on my bike to "get off the road" literally 10 meters from a bike route sign.
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u/LocoRoho43 May 10 '23
As a fellow American I guess people pride themselves on having such high traffic fatalities in a developed nation.
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u/SexyMonad May 10 '23
Yeah I’d much rather have this than speed tables. I once got a flat due to a piece of metal that got wedged in one of the rubber speed tables.
If they just enforced a speed limit that would be understandable. But most speed tables require speeds much lower than the limit, which can take new people by surprise and cause damage to their vehicles.
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u/ChucklesInDarwinism May 10 '23
This is been used in Spain for more than 20 years. They are usually at the beginning of residential areas.
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u/TooManyLangs May 10 '23
i've seen this around decades ago. a sensor, followed by a traffic light. if you are over the limit, the light turns red, otherwise it stays green (it's just to make sure people are not speeding in certain areas). if you jump the red light, you get a price.
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u/Sun9091 May 10 '23
This is revenue enhancement not speed enforcement
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u/QuantumWarrior May 10 '23
I never understood this argument but I see it all the time around speed cameras here in the UK.
If you just drive the speed limit then they don't make any money.
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u/g-nice4liief May 10 '23
We have this system in the Netherlands, and it improved traffic quite alot.
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u/hurtfulproduct May 10 '23
Hasn’t this been a thing for a while? Like I thought there were Traffic lights setup so that if you were going at or below the speed limit you could catch all the greens, but if you were going too fast you would end up catching at least a few reds.
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u/ligmallamasackinosis May 10 '23
The lights in my city are already timed to go green after going about 5mph under the speed limit.
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u/BuckyDuster May 10 '23
Great idea. Sadly, in Baltimore the drivers who ignore speed limits also ignore traffic lights
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u/BellaCiaoSexy May 10 '23
This will only cause more problems save for when there is more automated driving
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u/skwolf522 May 10 '23
We should get rid of green lights.
Only yellow and red.
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u/bg-j38 May 10 '23
OK Professor Frink. I tried this and I'm making record time! If only I had someplace to be...
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u/Utter_Rube May 10 '23
Funnily enough, the timing of traffic lights around here encourages people to speed. If you go the limit, you're just about guaranteed to hit a red at every other intersection, and boy are there a lot... meanwhile, if you accelerate hard after the first red light you get caught at and go 10-15 km/h over, you'll cruise through a shitload of yellow lights until you reach the highway.
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u/ShyElf May 10 '23
People are going to speed up to significantly faster than they had been going as soon as they're past it. It's a well known effect described in most of the US DOT traffic design manuals.
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u/QuoteGiver May 10 '23
Then put another one further down the road. Or just use the camera to deliver speeding tickets directly.
Those drivers are idiots.
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u/pi-N-apple May 10 '23
The traffic light is not at an intersection. So those who don't want to slow down will just simply ignore the red light.
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u/KingOfCotadiellu May 10 '23
A simple camera and a few fines for running a red light would easily fix that?
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u/DashRipRoc May 10 '23
So, a traffic pole just stuck on the side of the road with no intersection or crosswalk near it turns red when you're over the 30km limit? Are people expected to stop? Then what? Does it create road rage for the drivers behind who have to stop because they're doing the limit if one car is speeding? How long does the light last? Sounds like they're creating additional issues in trying to fix an existing one. I can see the lights being ignored if they're slowing down the flow of traffic needlessly.
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u/QuoteGiver May 10 '23
If you don’t stop you get a camera ticket for ignoring a red light, yes.
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u/anotherhumantoo May 10 '23
Where I live, it's the exact opposite. Green lights only for people that speed. If you approach a light from a previous red light with a reasonable acceleration and maxing at the speed limit, the light will turn red right moments before you get to it.
This would be a welcome change to situations like where I live.
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u/Sence May 10 '23
In Fort Lauderdale they've timed the lights to where the only consistent way to get green lights consecutively is to speed
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u/66smeg May 11 '23
I think this idea has potential. Its like a speed camera but it gives careless drivers an option to make a change.
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u/StandupJetskier May 11 '23
These exist, they are called speed control stop signs....needless stop signs are all over Long Island, especially Nassau.
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u/Proper-Nectarine-69 May 11 '23
Those speed meters on the sides of the road do the same thing but don’t cause people to slam on their brakes for a red light
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u/audguy May 11 '23
LOL wait until 3 am, speed so it turns red, tire squealing emergency stop, wait with some good(or bad)heavy bass, light turns green, light up the tires on the way out. They will be gone in a month!
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u/ch4rr3d May 10 '23
As much as I would normally gripe and moan about selective taxes on roads, fuck people who speed in school zones.
Dunno if it's going to help, but might as well give it a go. Probably safer than speed activated tire shredders in school zones.
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u/redditcreditcardz May 10 '23
How to get people to ignore all traffic laws:101
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u/kmsxpoint6 May 10 '23
Nah, that started with the overuse of the all-way stop, which gifted America the "rolling stop". Overfamiliarity breeds contempt.
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u/jakejanobs May 10 '23
Apparently the nazis installed stop signs everywhere in the Netherlands when they invaded, and the Dutch (mostly on bike at that point) would protest by ignoring them entirely. Wouldn’t surprise me if their current hatred of stop signs is related to this
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u/Keulapaska May 10 '23
Why is the all-way stop even a thing? Just use yield/stop signs on the "lesser" road or nothing if it's an equal intersection.
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u/kmsxpoint6 May 10 '23
One answer for why this is the case is that the US isn't a signatory to the Vienna Convention on Traffic and doesn't have an official, explicit method of clarifying which roads are priority roads (indicated by signs like this priority road sign or this priority at next road only warning), beyond stop signs, and yield signs. Drivers are still taught to yield to the right in all states at most intersection types without signs (T-shape junctions being an exception), but unsigned intersections are so rare, that if you never normally see one (they are most often found in residential neighborhoods if at all), you will be surprised when you do, perhaps even taken by surprise, and may assume that because you have no signs the other roads must be signed.
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u/chaotoroboto May 10 '23
So my experience with stop signs in a residential neighborhood is that people stop at the stop sign then race to the next stop sign. So on average they're probably going slower, but their peak speed at about the 3/4th of the block mark is as high as possible. Unless I'm missing something, this looks to create the exact same incentive just with significantly more fiscal & technical overhead.
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u/Yotsubato May 10 '23
I’d rather have stop signs be replaced with something like this and just cruise just below the limit and smoothly pass through.
That would be ideal.
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u/payne747 May 10 '23
We've had these in the UK for a while on some major roads, if you approach too fast, they'll go red on ya.
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u/DeadStringScrolls May 10 '23
Oh by all means, implement this in a metro area. I’ll bring the pocorn.
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u/SargeanTravis May 10 '23
I don’t drive and this makes sense. Don’t want to be inconvenienced by a red light? Don’t speed through an obvious quiet neighborhood where you have a higher chance to roadkill some child.
Don’t want to be red light ticketed for running this light? See above and reconsider not running every red light, where you are far more likely to T Bone someone. It’s fun and games until you end or irreversibly change someone(s) or your life
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u/cute_viruz May 10 '23
How sbout just use round da bout.. better for traffic and driver avoid speeding.
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u/rammo123 May 10 '23
Biggest issue I see is the accuracy of the speed detector. In NZ we have signs that show you the speed you're travelling and if you go over the limit it flashes "SLOW DOWN". Problem is that the readout is often woefully inaccurate, telling you to slow down even if you're doing 10 under the limit.
Annoying enough when it's just a warning message, but it would be a nightmare if it was going to give you an unnecessary red light for it. Ironically I think I'd speed later just to make up for the wasted time.
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u/Lost_and_wandering_ May 10 '23
Yeah this is definitely a better solution than just planning public transportation. /s
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u/DevAway22314 May 10 '23
It's cost effective for the vast majority of the population (which is in a minority of the land area). Cars and car infrastructure is very expensive, so only really rural areas would be more cost effrctive for car reliance
Montreal would definitely be cost effective in using piblic transit
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u/MultiplyAccumulate May 10 '23
According to the article, the device is called a FRED. If you are driving in the US and you come to a red light that is called a FRED, get off the railroad tracks!
In the US, we have traffic calming devices that display your speed measured by radar. Basically same effect. Last one I encountered, however, didn't bother to have a sign telling you how fast you were supposed to be going.
And that is often the problem. They blame the drivers for the governments incompetence. If you have an ongoing problem where people are disproportionately breaking the law, it is usually faulty design. Lights or signs you can't see or which are confusing or in the wrong place.
Predatory policing gives people tickets in the supposed interest of public safety. If they were really interested in protecting people, however, would have added a reduced speed ahead sign ahead of the speed limit sign with a lowered number. Or bothered to tell people they were entering a town. And doesn't put the speed limit signs 37 miles apart and so close to intersections that you are too busy negotiating the turn safely to read signs and not going fast enough to worry about the speed limit.
Speed limits are also supposed to be set based on the 85th percentile of driver speeds and have very little actual effect on driver speeds. https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/transportation/traffic-engineering/regulatory-speed-limits.pdf?ltu
So, if you feel that people are speeding too much in a particular location, maybe the speed limit is just plain wrong or you have failed to let people know about unusual hazards. Put up a sign that says "school motherfucker!
Or maybe don't lay the street out like a boulevard if you don't want people to drive on it like a boulevard. They found they can slow traffic down by adding some obtructions to make the road narrower and/or making the lanes weave a bit. But the bigger question is why do you want them to slow down in the first place when the reason people drive faster on wide straight roads is it is safe to do so? You have the visibility and the room to see and avoid pedestrians, kids, cycles, car doors, etc.
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u/NickNaught May 10 '23
If you spend enough time on a highway on-ramp with a stoplight system that's active during rush hour, you'll notice that many people ignore the light. Despite this, the presence of the system still manages to stop a considerable number of speeding drivers, making it a reasonable solution for problem areas.
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u/3xoticP3nguin May 10 '23
I love those lights.
I use them to test my launch control lol. Can wait until I'm full in the clear then I can go full brap brap braaaaàap and I got until 65 to come off the throttle before I'm "speeding".
One of the only place by me I can have fun like that
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u/NickNaught May 10 '23
It drives me nuts when people cruise at 45mph onto a 65mph highway. I do the same as you to get to speed (but no Telsa features), but everyone should also attempt to reach highway speeds BEFORE merging in.
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u/DevAway22314 May 10 '23
Man, North American cities really will do absolutely anything instead of implementing cheap and effective traffic calming measures
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u/vAltyR47 May 10 '23
How about your redesign the road to slow down the cars, instead of relying on silly games for enforcement?
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u/Swarrlly May 10 '23
These types of technologies never really work. If you want to limit speed you need to design the road in a way makes people drive at the speed you want. Narrow streets with tall trees. Slight curves so you can’t just drive in a straight line.
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u/Devo27 May 10 '23
In other news, traffic in this area has completely stalled.